Posts by Pete Zahut

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I tried to make an elder feel guilty for shunning his 2 children.

by Jeannette in

i ran into an elder the other day at walmart.

he's a fairly good man and has a wife that is very sickly.

so sickly in fact i don't know how she's holding on.

Pete Zahut

One could say in so many words.....

Yes....and it must be difficult for you and especially "Mrs Elder" as a Mother, to knock on other peoples doors and be recommending her way of life to strangers and their families knowing that you and she are shunning the two kids you brought into this world. I mean, I suppose a householder would understand it if your kids were drug dealers or held up a bank or something but what would they think if they knew you folks had two healthy children who you have intentionally cut out of your life, simply because the don't share your same religious views...especially after loosing an infant child ? Oh well.....the Society is changing a lot of it's former teachings. Maybe they'll change that one before too long. Trouble is....life is short... and things can change rather quickly. One never knows from one day to the next if they'll have the chance to make things right....and to wait for a directive like that to come from people one has never actually even met...well...

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Teaching Anthony Morris III names of common things.

by LogCon in

"...what it is is this spanx, this skin-tight stuff they wear.

now, are you sisters wearing this in the ministry?

i can't say that i've ever seen that.

Pete Zahut

I think the Spanx/Spandex mixup was intended to show how above such mundane nonsense, he is. He leaves that sort of thing to the "little people".

What annoyed me more than the Spanx comment, was the part where he allegedly asked sisters what they thought of Brothers in "tight pants" and allegedly they all said that they didn't. (as if they'd answer a question like that honestly to a Brother let alone a Governing Body Member.)

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This religion is about to be toast.

by kneehighmiah in

the governing body is preparing to take a major hit.

this recent watchtower shows it.

not the new understandings, but the article on marriage.

Pete Zahut

In the picture the bridesmaid in the center is not smiling. I wonder why?

It was somewhat surprizing to see this photo showing an Asian Sister with dyed hair. It's my "understanding" that it's somewhat frowned upon and sort of trashy for in Asian countries for women (especially JW women) to lighten their hair or perm it. I say this because a bunch of 19-20 year old Asian girls were hosted for the summer by some people in my former KH and the big deal coming from their families was that none of the girls was to do anything like that to their hair or they'd be in hot water when they got home.

Maybe the contemplative looking Bridesmaid is thinking "So I follow the all the rules....keep my hair natural like they said we should, while Miss Peroxide up there ends up getting married and once again I'm just the Bridesmaid ".

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Many Member Just Want to Believe

by OnTheWayOut in

if you are/were an active jw, you are now here on jwn so, for whatever your reasons, you woke up to some degree- hopefully a great degree.

so what i am saying may not apply to you.. i know that if i had not already left, i would have stormed out on the day they studied "overlapping generation.

" i am quite confident i couldn't have stayed for such an obvious switcharoo just to make the end seem imminent and try to explain how wts was wrong, but not entirely wrong in the past.. but i had to wonder how that change (or others) didn't cause most jw's to walk out.

Pete Zahut

Their beleifs are based on a premise that isn't provable in any tangible way and their circular reasoning takes them right back to that unprovable premise every time.

We all have seen what it takes and the residual damage that one has to recover from when we walked or were pushed away. As far as I can tell from my experience, most JW's stick with it much like an inexperienced or under educated employee sticks with a unsuitable job. They are afraid of the unknown and lack the personal confidence it takes to make a big change.

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TROUBLED MAN EXPOSES ELDERS CULT MENTALITY IN DOVER UK

by raymond frantz in

troubled man exposes elders cult mentality in dover uk.

(watch the video till the end).

breaking in to kingdom halls and disturbing peaceful meetings is hardly the way to go when it comes to positive activism .nevertheless these incidents seem to become more frequent recently as the watchtower vehemently refuses to engage in a meaningful way with the problems of policy and doctrine that seem to trouble many jehovahs witnesses .that, coupled with the ever extending ex- jehovahs witnesses community and their harsh disfellowshiping practises is creating a new era where disturbances of that short will only become more frequent.

Pete Zahut

People who have been seriously wronged by the Watchtower organization or who simply want to leave it, are expected to disappear into the wild blue yonder and keep their mouths shut. They are expected to silently and humbly take whatever lumps they have coming to them. This is a faceless organization and no one in authority has anything tangible to base that authority upon or really knows for sure what to do when someone like Leon goes off the script and wants real answers instead of the platitudes and canned responses read from one of the Watchtower publications. Until now, anyone with a complaint about the Watchtower was a lone voice crying out in the wilderness without a shred of legal recourse. Thankfully however, the internet came along. Gone are the days when these people have to go away and somehow put the pieces of their shattered lives back together on their own. They now have a voice and this distraught man is making sure his story heard. The trouble is, years of mistreatment combined with the hurt and frustration of being shunned for speaking out about it, can make an otherwise rational person lash out wildly. These soft spoken people in their suits and ties and their thinly veiled disdain of anyone who dares speak against them, use this to their advantage. They are well rehearsed in keeping up an appearance of mildness and control but they are amateurs at everything else. They are often Janitors, Carpenters and Tradesmen who have little or no education and no secular training in helping people with real life problems. They dare to tread into matters that should be dealt with by highly trained professionals. They have the power within the congregation to devastate an individuals personal life and forever alter whole family lineages with their decisions. All this distraught man wants are real answers and an honest acknowledgement that he has indeed been wronged. This situation could have been de-esculated if one of those men simply said to him "Yes Leon, you and many others like you have been wronged and we are sorry for all the years you suffered when you could have been helped had this organization trained us to serve you better, but please let us help you now " . Although I'm sure these men know in their hearts, there is truth in what Leon is saying, they won't ever admit that they or Watchtower organization could have been wrong, for doing so would be opening doors for them personally, that can never be shut again

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Vomit alert - how many Dubs actually like the noolite .tv?

by hamsterbait in

one witless i know actually said "i really like brother lett - his face is soo expressive, the eyebrows go up and he uses his lips to enunciate every word clearly.

and he speaks slowly so it is easy to follow what he is saying.".

another said "iwas so excited after watching the new tv channel.

Pete Zahut

One witless I know actually said "I really like Brother Lett - his face is soo expressive, the eyebrows go up and he uses his lips to enunciate every word clearly. And he speaks slowly so it is easy to follow what he is saying."

I'm not sure if it's true but my understandg is the reason he speaks this way is because he grew up in a household where both parents are deaf and he too is partially deaf. He apparently has always had to enunciate his words slowly for those who read lips and use hands to "sign" and his face to help express the emotion of what he is saying.

If this is true, you'd think he'd use sign language during his broadcasts so everyone could "hear"what his message is directly but then again it might be less distracting to use closed captioning instead.

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JW.bore invades my vacation?!?

by darth frosty in

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friends

just got back from a cruise and dubs were walking around the boat faithfully wearing their jw.bore pins smdh.

than at cozumel i saw these lovely sisters.

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Pete Zahut

2nd the lazyness IMO it gives to the streetwork/preaching. I came up in the era that you were not preaching unless you were approaching people

I understand what you're saying but that comment reminds me of how old folks say "Back in my day, we had to WALK to school uphill BOTH WAYS !"

Seems like JW's can't win....they're pushy if they approach people or their lazy if they just wait for the people to approach them.

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What do you want for Christmas?

by Hortensia in

jw
friends

it's ok to share your xmas wishes here -- none of us is going to buy you anything, anyway!.

i have a list of books on my wishlist at amazon, some about critical thinking, some about knitting, some about yurok indian basketry.

i wouldn't mind getting any of those.

Pete Zahut

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Dec9Jb_Ac4

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Matthew 24:19-21

by Pete Zahut in

jw
friends

but woe unto them that are with child and to them that give suck in those days!

and pray that your flight be not in the winter, neither on a sabbath for then shall be great tribulation, such as has not been from the beginning of the world until now, no, nor ever shall be.. this scripture was always used to frighten us about the upcoming great tribulaton.

when i was in high school my late mother found out she was pregnant with my youngest sister.

Pete Zahut

But woe unto them that are with child and to them that give suck in those days! And pray that your flight be not in the winter, neither on a sabbath for then shall be great tribulation, such as has not been from the beginning of the world until now, no, nor ever shall be.

This scripture was always used to frighten us about the upcoming great tribulaton. When I was in high school my late Mother found out she was pregnant with my youngest sister. (surprise!) A car group of Sisters from the Hall stopped by our house to use the restroom. They stayed (and stayed) for coffee and I remember them quoting that scripture to my already aprehensive Mom. I wanted to clobber them. My non JW Dad came home from work and had to talk my Mom down off the ceiling. That was over 30 years ago, and my Mother often said after us older ones moved out on our own, that she couldn't imagine not having had my youngest sister...they were the best of friends. She said she wished she'd have enjoyed her last pregnancy instead of worrying about getting us kids and a new baby through the tribulation.

Looking at this scripture now, it sounds as if one prays enough one could influence when it happened and it doesn't seem to fit any application to Gods modern day people seeing as how it mentions the Sabbath.

Does anyone remember how they linked this to the (long time coming) Great Tribulation?

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How to capitalise on recent unwise appointment with my wife.

by disposable hero of hypocrisy in

jw
friends

a brother was appointed recently in the cong, he's got a dodgy history, doesn't really have the respect of many in the cong.

it's surprising to me, but i don't really care, good for him.

my wife, on the other hand, is angry!

Pete Zahut

You could say to your wife something like....

" I've heard some Witnesses say "It's a perfect orginaziation run by imperfect men" so one could understand how someone like Brother X could be wrongly appointed. The trouble is, thousands are shunning their family members and former friends who may have been wrongly disfellowshipped by men like Brother X , who were wrongly appointed to a position of authority. It's scary when you realize that 8 million people worldwide have planned their entire lives around the directives made by imperfect men who they've never met and are ready to die if they need a blood transfusion for example. Especially after all these decades, these men have decided to allow blood fractions....hopefully, for the parents who's children have died, they won't decide that the rest of their understanding on the blood issue is wrong as well. Anyway, I guess only time will tell."